"the only reason i can think of to post the p5 manual at this point in time is so that the people who supposedly have already warezed the beta version can avail themselves of it." I Don't feel that's the case. I can see real benefits to distributing it. I'm one of those sad, unadventurous folks who like to read the manual of any new software before booting it up (once moved a tech support person to near-tears of gratitude when I demonstrated a real familiarity with the manual for PhotoStyler BEFORE calling her - she'd given up on ever talking to a customer who would admit to even seeing it in the box...). I'd enjoy at least a good browse of the manual to tide me thru the cold lonely period until I get my copy of the program. I confess a deep curiosity about (among other things), the P5 folder structure, configurable interface options, and tons of other stuff that can't be discerned from drooling over the promotional materials and informations thus far posted. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing CL to release it before they feel it appropriate, but there are benefits to some Poser-holics by disseminating it. At the very least it may cut down some of the support calls and posts in the first days after shipping - may even enable more of us to deal with some of the problems for each other if it's a good as I expect from Anthony's previous comments.