ok gang I apologise for not telling u my apps: PS 7.0, Bryce 5.01 and naturally Rhino 2.0 I dont use frontpage and I have no idea how anyone can draw such a conclusion without knowing. About the bmp & web, up to now I took the Bryce render to PS to add sig and save for web. I'm not sure this is a bad idea since PS guys know best. I use 52% and I can get higher.