Graybeard, I don't see it as an either or position. Why does my diaspproval of his linking directly to my files necessarily mean that I should then turn a blind eye to his distributing an actual copy? All that does is change the offense from one of theft of services to one of blatant copyright infringement. If you take a look at the page, nowhere am I acknowledged as the creator of the model. In fact it's not even necessary to see where the files are hosted in order to d/l it. Just as a side note I decided to make an exception in this case & have sent two emails to the contact address listed on the webpage & am still waiting for an answer. oh and pendarian... here's a rat's behind for you, feel free to give it to anyone on any subject :-)