Yes Ive heard that one too. A relevant point terminusnord contacting the OS or compiler manufacturer as a last resort but its been developing and wish-listing for two years, and it can happen that they could get some trouble. No, youre right Apples being screwed again, the world is coming to an end and Steve Jobs is a vampire. Nice clip Little_Dragon, but Im amazed that no-one has worked it out yet. Doozy has worked out an alternative method which he has in freestuff, but his cant go round corners like mine, at least they couldnt last time I looked. But quess what? He uses a MAC as well! and were the ones not getting Poser 5!