Yeah it is Klaus/Liftan... it is clear who it is by the way he types. Like Anton, I considered P3 a huge advance from P2 (still remember Anton's P2 Body Textures that worked miracles!!), and P4 was an even MORE advancement from P3!! 3D programs cannot make one realistic thing... the use of it can, however, in the hands of someone who is talented enough. Just because you have a 2k program doesn't mean you are going to be able to create the same sort of special effects you see in movies or realistic people (like in Final Fantasy: Spirits Within). A person has to be willing to learn the ins and outs of that software and maximize their skills and improve as they mature in the use of the software. Poser makes this possible with a low enough price tag that just about anyone can learn the basics and have fun while doing so. Personally, if I wanted realism in my stuff, I'd just pick up my Minolta and get a couple of models. Much quicker and easier in my opinion. Jack