ummm.... ajax; i can't remember. i probably did move the tail base, because i try not to use the body to move things (wreaks havoc with trying to save the pose and all). the body center stays put when you move the hip? um... i don't think so. that would mean when i drop the eagle to the floor, it should quit rotating around this huge circle. (well, and rotate around a smaller circle.) or wait, does drop to the floor drop the body not the hip??? argh! it can't be set to copy the abdomen center to the body center, the tail don't even have an abdomen. i'm so confused :/