(Hoo-boy... if THIS doesn't shove the thread into OT...) "Utah is among the whitest states in the nation, and is politically, economically and socially dominated by the whitest major religion in America." ...and that automatically makes us all bigots and Kluxers, right? After all, if there's not a whole lot of black folk around, then white folk are automatically free to be as hateful as they wanna be! Why must you compound your errors like this? " I've spent some time there (friends of mine went to school at Utah)" How much time? Obviously not very long, given your blanket accusations. I've been here for five years, and before I moved back here, for a three year period. "Actually, I didn't say anything about the Mormons, but since you bring it up: how many African Americans are members of the LDS?" I wasn't aware that religions had to adhere to affirmative action quotas. If I were to make a similarly foolish statement about, say, "Arabs being racist as a whole", and said: "after all, how many white members and leaders are there in the Islam?" It would be a stupid justification for my own hypothetical bigotry. What you're saying is just as bad. You're going to have to have a lot more facts than just insinuations based on general demographics. You may also want to check the percentage of Utahns who actually are members of the LDS faith... I suspect you'll be suprised. "And what would you know about my racial sensitivity in social situations? How would you even presume to know what my ethnicity is?" I was being generous - I am well aware of many Utahns who freak at the thought of even accidentally offending someone not of their own color - guess I was wrong in assuming you were'nt as hypersensitive than they. My bad. Incidentally, you just asked the same question I asked you, but you've rather failed to anwer: "How would you know?" After all, you made the bigoted generalization towards the place I happen to call home. If I were Polish and DAZ were a Polish company, what blanket statement would easily be assumed by the reader by your saying "Another Polish moment from DAZ"? I think we both know the answer, but you somehow cannot bring yourself to face it. You spoke from (presumed) anecdotes, but I'm speaking from the very place you spread your bigotry upon. I can walk out my front door right now and gather more information about what ordinary Utah is like in 30 seconds, than you could in a month of hard research. "And, for the record, I emailed DAZ about this before I posted here, suggesting that they apologize and rephrase the promo material for the products in question. Still no response." It's the weekend. Why aren't you at work right now? After all, if you expect them to be... Lookit - if you want to bag on DAZ, fine - just don't go making bigoted (and IMHO ignorant) remarks about those of us who live nearby. /P