Hi Dalinise, As someone who posted opinions and observations in this thread, I want to say thanks for your comments. I know you're cool and meant no wrong, and your textures are things of beauty. It was great to hear your perspective. Thanks also to Anton for his informed comments and commitment to raise the issue at DAZ. If nothing changes at DAZ I think we should let this go and agree that we had a good debate. Now for the cranky part. Those who jumped in to say "you're too PC blah blah blah" with nothing more substantial to add, or who used the occasion to attack Mosca and Lordbyron in a dismissive way ... you are wrong. If anything, those sorts of attacks are censorial in that they dismiss issues which really are worthy of consideration. I'd suggest that if all you have to say is something like "you people are silly and oversensitive," it's probably better not to say anything at all. You're not going to stop the discussion, you have nothing to add but your attitude, and it doesn't exactly make you appear intelligent or articulate. Since I was mildly critical over the Utah thing before, I'd now like to thank Mosca for raising one of the more interesting issues I've ever seen discussed here. Props also to everyone who had substantial and interesting opinions in the thread. In my opinion, "this isn't worthy of discussion" is not a substantial opinion. :-)