EricofSD... wait a minute... did I say that Bryce was the best program for creating landscapes? No. Even a dumb West-Texas hick like myself knows that Terragen blows the doors off of Bryce for photorealistic landscapes. But can you put a tree in it? or buildings? or anything else without a lot of compositing? All I'm saying is that these people who say that Bryce can't create a believable landscape obviously haven't spent enough time working with it finding decent settings. Sorry I'm at work right now, but when I get home I'll whip up a 5 minute landscape that will, in my opinion, 'sing' just as loud as yours, in your opinion, does.... maybe just with a different voice. Like other, much more talented people than I have already said in this thread; if you want a top-shelf modeller, or landscape designer, or auto-cad program, there are dozens of other programs out there. As soon as I can save up a couple of thousand bucks I intend to get some of them. But, for what it does at the price that it is, Bryce is one hell of a program. I can't count the number of images I've seen on this forum (many by people who have posted on this thread) that have just blown my mind. I'll think, "You can't do THAT in Bryce", then they'll explain a little how they did it, and I'm even more blown away. So I still learn a little more everyday about this program that I've been using for a couple of years now. And though they are by no means all that I use Bryce for, I still enjoy using it to do landscapes at times. And if that makes me an inferior 'artist', then so be it.