Oh and I think my landscapes turn out not to bad ;-) .. in fact at the moment no other landscape program has tempted me in the least .. saying that the be all end all of a program is how photo real you can make an image means nothing to me personally .. if I want photo real I will take a photo ;-)... BUT if photo real is what you are going for .. well come on just spend some time in the Bryce gallery .. There are a LOT of pretty darn realistic looking images .. Sorry but to me Terragen images are always close to real in the thumbnails .... but on close inspection I am usually disappointed with the textures .. I would say both Vue and Terragen have better skies .... but any thing else to me is arguable.