Anthony, I admire your defence of Mr Mortier, but I have to point out one thing I think is pertinent. You say 'Therefore, the only conclusion one can make is that there are a number of people who for whatever reason like his work or can't/won't/don't find anything better' I think this last point is the clincher. 'can't/won't/don't find anything better' I've never read any of his books and I have no stance whatsoever on whether they're good, bad or indifferent. What I have read in the posts is that a lot of people a) bought the books and gave them or threw them away. b) that a lot of people bought the books for lack of a better alternative. This, I think, is the whole problem. If there's no decent alternative, what are people to do? Especially newbies who don't know Mr Mortier or his reputation in the poser community. The reason I'm posting this is a simple one. I feel that CL has in part, an obligation to it's customers in this area. Certainly not to stop 'iffy' books being published, (heaven forbid ) but definitely to attempt to provide some kind of official poser book other than the manual. Is it out of the question for CL to commission and collaborate on a decent poser book? There's another reason for CL to do this other than helping people to really get the best out of poser. Someone in another thread said something to the effect that 'If someone considering buying poser saw Mr Mortier's books, they wouldn't bother'. Don't you think it's CL's duty to show poser in the best light? mac