krimpr I have those books and largely rate them in the same order-I am also using 6.5b with LW. I love the program! I just finished a two day class in San Fran taught by Larry Shulz "Splinegod"-whose name you likely recognize from other Lightwave forums. He focused on modeling techniques and using skelegons and bones-(since thats what we asked for) very cool and informative. I recommend it "The Lightwave World Tour"if it comes anywhere near you. It may be that you could achieve the same result with LWave-by taking a diffferent approach-of course the trick is to find that approach! He showed us two different ways to model a character-with splines and from a sphere primitive. He is currently responsible for creating characters-and animating for an English animated sci-fi show called Max Steele? Not sure if I have the name right. No actually-he is done with Msteele-it is a different name for the British show. Now that I have gained some familiarity with the process of character rigging- it will make animating PoserCharacters-or anything else- easy directly within Lwave. In fact I cant decide whether I want to tonight-model or use skelegons! Actually, I did not find any documentation with the Amapi 4 I got from a British mag-and grew frustrated with the interface- I had an email discussion with Brycetech after buying some of his animal characters- pretty cool actually! Thanks for the tip on the CD. Eric