Thank you "Mr.Mac"(I have a similar nickname, MacMan!) But you finally proved that "PCs Rule, Macs Drool!" But I digress, Macs are okay machines, but I have seen and heard enough people complain about thier macs as I have seen and heard people p&moan about the PCs. But Mr.Mac has a point. The speed they claim is in Photoshop, Quark, and Claris products like Filemaker, but DUH! They are programs that were originally made for Mac, not PC, so it makes sense they would work faster on the MACOS. But when it comes to just pure speed, PCs can beat a Mac, and for less money. Consider this, You can get a P3 650, 128-256MB ram, 17-20 gig hard drive, 56K Modem and NIC, DVD, CD-RW, plus a decent software bundle for under $2K. Less than the cost of a similarly equipped Mac. How much did you pay for your G4? 2K, 2500? Macs are nice, but the Bang for the Buck is much better for PCs, although PCs generally have low resale values, even after only a year or two, while Macs are worth slightly more. If you want a computer with Power to spare, get a PC, if you want a computer that you can resell for a nice price, and have a Candy colored box, get a Mac. Not trying to intice a Mac/PC war, just laying out facts. I mean, I own an older Mac, it's a Performa 6300. Only complaint is the modem is a 28.8, and I can't get the printer to work properly, and the display can only reach 256 colors. I even upgraded the OS from System 7.6.2, to Mac OS 8. And I put Softwindows 2.0 on it. But my trusty CTX 266Mhz AMD-K6, with 64MB RAM, and a 4.3 gig hard drive, renders fairly speedy, for a 400x400 pic I can do it in a couple of minutes, depending on the poly count of the object I am rendering. But comparing Macs and PCs is like comparing a Saturn to a Dodge. Both have thier good points and their bad points.