hmm true, I'd take a free model and pay for a texture map as well... but things like when you buy their demon you also have to buy the texture map, that just annoys me and I'd be much happier supporting other creative people that post to this board, put pictures here, and want to make a few dollars from their hobby but of course, I'm glad zygote is around =) and I do want their costume cd...just let me dig up some money =) SewerRat