ok, here are my 2 liras: pic1: - i sure hope this new posette is still in an alpha stage. her head is too big, mouth (as someone wrote) is very undefined and artificial, nose looks like latoya jackson's (or her brothers, they use only one in turns)... - she has unsmoothed poly edges in her face, and that shoulder looks as if it's been just broken. - hair isn't throwing any shadow on itself or on face. it doesn't bend smoothly, but in sharp edges. firefly feature? i hope not! pic2: - the new dork looks very spike-ish indeed. his neck bends very nice, great improvement to dork & mike. - the nose is way too thin and the supposed eye sockets in the skull are too near, so the eye ridges look funny. - nose isn't throwing any shadow on his face. as a matter of fact his face isn't throwing any shadows at all... firefly feature? i hope not! pic3: - wonderful wet texture by syyd, but... where's poser5? her lower lip looks as if it casts some shadow on the chin, but the nose still casts no shadows at all... firefly feature? i hope not! pic 4: nice feature (anisotropic renders). pic 5: funny. pic 6: now, why not? the light is coming more or less directly from the viewers point, and from this angle she should have lit nostrils (not that i want to see what's there, mind you ;)). if those are real shadows, then they look very funny coz they are diverging from the middle to left and right, as if the light is directly under her nose. but the nose itself (and the rest of the face) casts no shadows. so now i ask myself, what are you trying to show us? that firefly engine, if it's ready, isn't better than the old, p4 renderer. those are nice texture for sure - we know what are syyd and colm capable of - but what about the rest? disappointingly familiar renderer with some unwanted new features is all i see, sorry. where is translucency? displacement maps? procedural textures? let me summerise (sic!): which years' "end of summer" do you plan to release poser 5?