Heh! Those Nerd mesh clothes were the first free stuff I ver downloaded, like a year ago or so. IRIC, the file sizes are pretty hefty, and I kept getting frustrated on my dial-up. And if any of you folks really found a problem with those renders, just remember, they're significantly better than the thousands of Naked Vicky holding a Sheet over herself renders that we're going to be seeing in the coming months, thanks to our new dynamic cloth feature. :P Paul