Hmmm, I honestly fail to see how you can look at that demo render of the P5 girl and rate it a more realistic or proportionally correct model of the human figure. I'm not implying at all that better means more sexy... I just mean there are symmetries and lines and proportions that are just 'right'. It's a mute point, P5 is going with Posette it seems, and it matters not since V2 is still usable in P5. I just find it odd that a few people remarked how they find the new P5 girl very nice, since her proportions go against what my artistic feeling tells me is correct. If you feel that Posette can be posed, morphed, etc to create the same range as V2 then I hope you are right! :) Orio - I agree Posette 5 may better represent the average everyday person in terms of sheer beauty, but aside from subjective likes or dislikes, ask an artist trained in the human form, or a sculptor, and see which they find more realistic proportionally. But life is full of differences in what people think is pleasing -- purely objectively I'd have to go with V2 over Posette anyday. Im biased in the sense that I use Poser to strive for the utmost in realism in my renders, imperfections and all, but the human eye can sense what is right and wrong in proportions aside from the supposed artistic value. A good example is the girl from the final fantasy movie, she is by no means made to look like a model with perfect figure, however, her proportions 'seem' right to the eye and so, despite her purposeful average appearance, she looks 'right' and natural and realistic (and I dont mean all the fancy renderings of her.. look at a basic one of her... the bikini shot on rottentomato.com for example). Anyhow -- i've rambled terribly!! :)