dam the vicki 3 maps look good. and the lighting is just what Ive been trying to acheive on my own. But I still have so much trouble. :( You'd think after useing poser for over two years Id get it by now. LOL hopeing for a kick ass b-day present from the hubby..been hinting about the poser 5 release. LOL. Gotta wait till nov though. :( good work as allways anton. Dont know what we'd do if you werent so board and curious. :)