I knew I was going to get flamed. But that's OK. "When you find yourself siding with the majority, it's time to reform." ^_~ First of all, I think Posette's a fairly decent figure. The joints have their problems, but the inherent mesh, IMHO, is pretty good, and her proportions are more realistic than Vicki's. I still use her most of the time, even though I own both Vicki and Stephanie. Frankly, I think default Judy here is a step down, but that's just me. Secondly, I do expect a figure to look good "out of the box". Whether I intend to use her that way or not is immaterial. The fact that I would have to scale down her head and up her hands and feet before I do anything else annoys the bejeebas out of me. I don't care that I would only have to do it once and then save her back to the library; that's not the point. She should have been made right the first time. And then, when I do get down to morphing her into a unique character, the simple fact is that I'm limited by the base mesh. It's the foundation of the work; I wouldn't build a house on a pile of loose gravel, after all. The better the figure looks going in, the better she'll look coming out. That said, her head is still too big for her body, her hands are still too small, and her breasts seem to have a strange and unnatural shape, although that might be an optical illusion at that angle with that map. When I finally do get Poser 5 (probably around the time 6 is coming out and we go through all this again), Judy here very well might be enough to make me switch completely to Vicki, although I'll probably just stick with the old Posette. And that's my two pennies.