ok, ok guys you are really making me impatient and torb with all this fire. Its either my funds or having to wait for developers to finish (ie Poser 5, maya plugin for poser for Mac) Sigh, lol I guess my Ghost Rider will just have to work with post work in PS for its fire. Thi is just a sneak of my Ghost Rider (generation 2) Leather is by Rdna (thanks guys, best I have seen so far) the skull Is of DAZ3D Conforming heads for Michael those that I have forgotten, I will get you on the next round Flame head is postwork in PS using EyeCandy