Well, what do I know, but yet I post. Ugh. I just read all the posts above and am remembering all the people who were worried that P5 might put them out of business. I think Jim was one...but my memory is like a faulty Poser dial sometimes...hehe. So in that vein, and knowing what has been said above... I haven't seen anything in those P5 renders that the current 3rd party vendors (DAZ, et al) haven't been able to beat. Forget proportions. Just look at the hair. The pros who paint it on CERTAINLY will not rely on P5 for hair. And the people who sell damn good hair have no fears. Texture? Who knows. The CL site doesn't mention resolution and from the "faraway" renders I saw, I see no reason for people who make hi-res textures to worry, either. I'm gonna side with Fyre (bet she hates to hear that...hehe). I'm a bit underwhelmed. Of course, that part of me who understands (or THINKS they understand) the business world realizes that CL must have left some room for DAZ (and others) to co-exist.