but im also well aware of the frustration i see every day in the Bryce forum from indivdual single artists with one machine And? Same here, and yet I've managed to produce broadcast-quality Bryce animations for a few years now. I sometimes think people expect to have everything at the press of a couple of buttons instead of having to actually wait for the quality. I mean, sheesh, how long would it take to animate something like this by hand? Consider that, and then tell me the render engine in Bryce is hopelessly slow.