Okay, I have to ask...how does anyone in this thread know how well Poser 5 is going to render? Unless you are a beta tester or an employee of Curious Labs and breaking your NDA on what authority or experience do you speak from? If you do not have the experience, why are you or anyone else wasting everyone else's time in pure speculation? Not to mention bashing a product before it is even released. And please don't say you aren't Poser 5 bashing, that's what it looks like from the cheap seats here. Get over it people, don't we all have something better to do? Popcorn anyone? Pendy