Wolf, you calmed me down when I was suffering Poser 5 symptoms, my turn now. I read recently in one of the threads that P5 would have a dual option of renderers, one faster than the other. That was because we implored him not to lose Poser's speed. Looking at your image, well we're getting depth of field so the answer is, yes. Incidentally, I always thought you were a beta tester! So if you're not that means that we'll have to rely on Lawndart and Chris Derochie. Both excellent animators, I just hope that the reason why we haven't heard from them is because their 'puters have been tied up for the last month. Hmm, I see your point....