CL don't yet know themselves. They probably have an intended date, but P5 is currently out in beta testing, and, if the beta testers find any bugs, they will have to be fixed. In the worst case a significant bug may require a major rewrite, which could delay the release by months. If CL were sure that the product was ready to sell, there would be no need for beta testing. There are some good signs however that the product is stable, and I am sure that when CL are satisfied we will probably know within days. Bill