Well since my name came up.. Here's a frame from the Poser version of the animation that Wolf was talking about. The Poser version took 21 hours to render... the C4D version with more lights, reflections..etc 14 hours. The questions Wolf is asking are some that I would like the answers to myself. I would really like to be able to render more in Poser, but Cinema just flat out produces better results IMHO. Ed