Pendarian, I think when these questions are asked, folks are hoping that someone at Curious Labs will read it and respond with a knowledgeable answer. I do agree that a lot of people here without informatiion are making speculations. I remember when people were asking about the price of P5, and someone came in with a response that they thought the full package would be in the $700 range and the upgrade around $300, which of course, has now been proven way wrong. They had absolutely nothing to base that estimate on. Whenever a questions is asked, people will respond, even if it's only a guess. I suppose we're all human. I think that the questions will be answered when we actually get Poser 5 and use it for ourselves. Maybe we should just stop making guesses about it and wait to see how it performs on our own machines. As far as rendering, lighting, reflection, etc. comparing to Bryce, I think the best rendering I've seen so far is in Terragen. It has Bryce beat enormously. I just wish it would one day be finished. The outdoor lighting and texturing in Terragen is unbelievable, for a beta product. Melanie