since mac is taking my name in vain again I suppose I should respond.... Movida you can, using the objects---> pen tool, sketch in points a rough outline of 1/2 the shape of the hat then lathe it to get the basic shape... from there is would just be a matter of the magnet & bend tools if you wanted to do it all in lightwave or Poser magnets if you wanted to spawn morphs to deform the brim.