No no, I didn't mean to move or start something new, I just meant that with all this stuff that is said to be for all skills (3d, 2d, photography, whatever) always the poser and/or fantasy stuff makes the cut. I just feel that we are left out of a lot of fun stuff, while photography and 2d graphics are pretty popular as an art form in the 'normal world'....so when we got so many great people in this great forum, why don't we deserve as much of a chance with all those fun things as anyone else ? And that convention contest just reminded me of how some peope look (down upon/at) stuff like illustration and photography. And that's a shame for sure. As a reminder, there were a couple of themes (space art, fantasy, etc) and all those who got picked were....well, you know. Same as the front page.....it gives the impression that there is hardly anything going on around here. No hard feelings, just wondering why this is always happening - hope I don't sound too negative towards r'osity's fine site =)