I don't think changing it to pict would help, vue apparently can't read png files and when I had the obj use a png file it compained. When I switched to tiff, which it can read, it quit complaining. It didn't load the texture apparently but it did quit complaining. It would help if the e-on software tech support was easier to get a hold of. If the bryce demo turns out to be everything I want I may get that instead, or maybe I'll just wait for Poser 5. Still it'd be nice if my models worked in more than one 3d app. I don't suppose I can be expected to do more than to provide a standard obj file though.