shadowdragonlord, I should have you know that your GPU may be faster than some G3 processors, but keep in mind that there are many different G3s out there. Also here's a neat /. article about AGP being largely wasted by today's "glitzy" video cards. http://slashdot.org/articles/02/08/19/1310216.shtml?tid=137 And a note about proprietary bits: There isn't a whole lot of proprietary bits left in Macs. Though a free market competition does yield faster boxes, that's for sure, don't be confused into thinking that Macs are all proprietary. They use PC133 and now DDR RAM, the same optical drives, the same PCI and AGP support, the same ATA, and SCSI. The processors (G3 and G4) are a collaborative work between Apple, Motorolla, and IBM. As for the fastest Mac or PC? it's a PC. No question. But, ignoring the rest of the Mac experience, isn't it a little weird how a G4 can run close to 1GHz without a cooling fan, and an AMD or Pentium can cook food at the same clock speed? Isn't it also odd how a G4 chip blows away the performance of an Intel or AMD at the same clock speed? Not that it matters, because G4s are only at 1.25 GHz right now, but it makes me wonder about processor architecture and where these chipsets are headed in the future. I see I've let the zealot in me surface. Sorry about that.