I think the delayed release may be causing a Poser industry slump. All these store sales seem to be a sign that Poser people are not buying as much, everyone is waiting for Poser 5 and the new products expected. I know...I know... old products will work with Poser 5, but why spend your money on old products when the NEW product is coming. Where would you spend limited funds. People are saving their money for "the Release of P5". The ads are out, most mail order catalogues have Poser 5 ads, (promised 8/16 now 9/5, they're just guessing), but no upgrade offers, only CL is offering upgrade prices, which means, CL is going to be swamped with orders. Every Poser owner will have to order from CL to get the discount price. I think about that, I hope they can handle it OK. Are you ready CL? Kupa did infer something happening Tuesday. As I remember it, Kupa said something would happen this week, someone said they would have to watch for it all week, and Kupa said he liked Tuesday. I'm guilty of checking CL several times today...hoping. CL registration is still out, that might make getting upgrade prices a problem. I sent my registration through customer service, (at their request), but no reply confirming.