Body hair may be subtle at a distance on light-haired woman and children, but on the rest of us it's a pretty obvious, even at a distance. And yes, it's definitely under-represented, especially on the female models. The reason it's missing from poser figures is mostly a technological limitation. To create fine hair with geometry would take too much RAM, and you'd need a finer scale modelling system (finer than the number of significant digitis in a poser OBJ allows). For the hair to look truly real, it can't just be in a texture map either, even if the map is really hi-res (higher than Poser allows) because texture mapped hair does not cast shadows or have any profile when you look at the edges of the hairy object. it looks 'flat'. hands and feet.. see the radial bones? one thing I've never see in any poser figure... I think the extensor tendons are the most visible thing in the back of hands and feet that are notably absent in the millennium figures. They are especially visible in leaner people. I think they are missing from Poser models because of lack of mesh resolution necessary to bump up the tendons with geometry. That and the fact that they would have to be more visible in some hand and foot positions than others, making them best applied with a morph target. also we have many wonderful textures.. but remember.. the one thing thats almost universally missing.. veins! yup veins! I've not seen any texture yet that has them.. The hi-res stephanie texture has some visible veins. But I agree you, most texture maps do not have enough, and most don't address the larger veins in the matching bump maps. think on these points.. got a feeling that they won't be in P5.. maybe P6? ;) I bet that Vick 3.0 texture has veins, the one that Anton was showing off. It looks super realistic, well beyond anything we've seen to date (StefyZZ's included). -Adam