{there's not any way in hell a G4 can keep up with a P4, or an AMD chip...} er, actually, in tests I have done, a G4 running at the same clock speed as an AMD Athlon works at roughly the same speed in Bryce rendering. However - a G4 can outpace a P3 or P4 running at a higher clock speed. In Photoshop, a G4 can totally outperform a P4 running at about 2 times it's clock speed. The biggest, and most irritating factor for mac users with Bryce, is that Corel didn't optimise the renderer for Altivec processing, as it would leave all P4's and AMD's standing at all their current clock speeds. Also, as has been pointed out - graphics cards don't do a thing for rendering - just OpenGL previews, but nevertheless, there are hardly any greater alternatives open to PC users that are not available on the Mac anyway. :) As for software - no mechanic can fix every aspect of a car with only a wrench or screwdriver, therefore, the more tools the better, they are ALL needed at some time or another! ;)

Adam Benton | www.kromekat.com