Wa-wa-wa-wa! Yeah, you're right it sounds beyond, bitchy ... it sounds down right winey. But I should be used to it coming from a Mac user. [Slipping in to flame-retardent suit.] Not all Mac users are this way (thank God!), but there are enough of them that it really gets on my nerves. However, it's about 100 times worse in the gaming scene. The Mac version is delayed because they actually want to make money first. Give them a break, there acting no differently than just about every other software company on the planet. Be thankful there IS a Mac version for pete's sake. And Virtual, aren't you used to it by now?? The list of software that is NOT and WILL NOT be available for Mac is huge, and getting bigger every day. I was stunned that Mimic came out, albeit TWO YEARS later, for the Mac at all. With Poser it makes much more sense I suppose. I can live with the constant whining of Mac users, but not when the same person writes in another thread "From the website: $179 - Poser 4 Mac... to Poser 5 Win. Okay, we'll excuse such a heinous gaffe if you agree that when the Mac version is released, we'll have access to the same deal. Mac to Win -- I don't think so......... The whole "Mac's are on a higher plane than Windows-based systems" is absurb, especially now. It's down right laughable. Why don't you get it over with, buy yourself a PC with Win2K, and with all the money you'll save from not buying an overpriced Mac, you can afford a lot more software. And you can actually get software within a few days, instead of years (or not at all), of it's release. I'm sure this will start a PC vs. Mac war, unfortunately, but I just get really fed up with reading post's like Virtual's and not saying anything. The snide remarks from Mac users seem to be overlooked, but god-forbid you say anything detrimental (yet factual) about a Mac around here. Okay, venting switched to off ... suit remaining on. -Tim