Mixed feelings here: Couldn't agree with SAMS3D more ... and yes, try another app like MAX, etc. Bryce is the same way ... very different, but once you get used to it On the other hand (and I know I'm ranting and raving about this already in another thread) the lack of 3D acceleration (optimized for OpenGL hardware)for the main window makes it downright unuseable for mildly complex scenese. The fact that they (CL) have not addressed this in Poser 5 is absurd. Other 3D apps have had 3D acceleration for years. Get with the 90's CL, especially for a major release like this. It's unbelieveable.