I figured out that I needed to update the .cr2 and include that. If you followed my original instructions, the .cr2 would include the original Vicki textures so after renaming them in UVMapper, the stupid things kept showing up in Poser anyway. so i take it you DID rename the vic materials to steph materials? cos the original uvs encoded obj seems to still have all vic materials in the eyes... might be the version of uvmapper, has to be 0.25e or later. anyway, best test is to try and load Eowyn's free Aino texture using her mat pose (in freestuff, looks great.) if that works perfectly, then the obj materials has been renamed properly. :) will download the update tonight, thanks Crescent :) don't worry about teething problems, i went through 3 updates of StephVskin (stephanie using vicki skin) and i'm sure there are hundreds of people out there who never heard of the fixes/updates and wonder what crap they downloaded lol

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