I would like to appeal for calm from all Poser users who because of language, geographical location, platform or hardware specification will not be in the first wave of users to upgrade to Poser 5. If there is Poser 4 in any of the above situations then it is very unlikely there will not be a version of Poser 5 in the same. Not many things placed in the forum will speed up any delivery or announcement or announcement of announcement of any product and flaming or trolling cant be serving any purpose. My own upgrading to 5 as it happens will be delayed and otherwise complicated by more that one of the above factors so you can presume how annoyed I could decide to be. Its often hard to tell if some of the entries in some threads are from people who are angry or if theyre actually taking the p*ss. Members in Rural America and the Centauri Republic will also have to adapt to it when its released.