uh gstorme.... Michelangelo did create his own paint they all did back then.:) but the point is moot with this purist crap, tell the purists thell have to create their own 3D prog and come to think of it solder their own motherboard, and while their at it how about coating their own hard drive platters. I'm a purist about Coffee I grind my own beans right before brewing and get it into the thermal caraf moments after it stops. but am I going to the hills of guatamala to pick my own beans, what do I look like Juan F@#%ing Valdez. whom do you have to proove yourself to any way? We've got poser purists here too. proudly posting "all Poser" or some such under their work, and if that turns them on great but as a viewer or an art director I could care less, I prefer to pose in poser and render in bryce no reason except that is the easyest way for me to acheave my vision, perhaps that will change with P5, who knows. the point is it's the result that counts, at least for me.