Trouble is I need almost all the lights, they are on candles and each one is surface visible to simulate the flame. I can knock out at most 5 which I used as general lighting.I will get there. I refuse to give in. I have the scene saved several times, so if I crash I can go back to a previous incarnation and try again. As I said maybe several layers to build it up will be the way to go. Will shadows from the sky lab work, as I have sunlight disabled?

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop  the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."