Thankyou, am now going away to have a play. With this sort of help I can see me visiting this forum more often. Mind you more time browsing means less time actually doing something. Oh well have to fill the time in till P5 arrives. P5 andB5, wonder how that will work. I still can't see that this new render engine is going to work for large scenes, bryce will still win out on that.

The greatest part of wisdom is learning to develop  the ineffable genius of extracting the "neither here nor there" out of any situation...."