ah it's all about saving time then? did you read the section about revert? save after every major change to your scene then you can go back to that if you "cock it all up". No I doubt if I do have a LOT more time than you but I'd rather spend it using poser or helping newbies in the forum than complaining about things that won't be changed between now & a couple of weeks when poser5 arrives in my hands. Rob