Egisys has some new info on their website: http://www.egisys.com/products/?lang=EN&res=high&path=software/poser/pricing It states the following: special price Upgrade Poser 4 to Poser 5 in between 30 days after appearance of Poser 5: 140,- Euro incl. vat after this periode: 229,- Euro incl. vat Unfortunately they don't see where we can order. And what they call the appearance date of Poser 5. Is it that unknown data somewhere in september? I've just mailed them about it. But thinks are finally looking better for European customers. I think I'll make a new thread in this forum about it. Let's make sure everybody knows about it :-)