I just don't get it. Last night everything was awesome... I've installed the propack & LW updaters and now I get an option as to whether I wish to triangulate my geometry or not. Both selections provide a new result: no error message, but no poser figure, either. The co-ordinate indicator is set in the scene offering me the opportunity to position my Poserdude, but the Poserdude isn't there. I know it can work because like I said it already has once. Maybe it's like me and resists working weekends. Thanks Ron for your suggestion, I'll try the Lightwave guys. isidro, you're happy with Maximum Pose? Is it relatively seamless into your Max or do you need to have bioengineering and particle physics backgrounds to use it? I kinda liked the idea of Propack because I figured it would be friendly. The last 9 hours haven't been alot of fun.