Penguin: COMPLETELTY wrong on both counts.

"calling them names not only shows that you've lost a debate before it began"

What are you talking about?? You have it backwards. I have written a multitude of posts as of late, and I don't recall ever "calling someone a name", but of course the Mac-Nazis had, as always, no problem personally attacking me. I haven't lost any arguments because there was nothing to lose ... I was talking in pure facts, not opinion. (I'll assume you're talking about the Mac-Nazi's "whining threads"?)

"Perhaps instead of shouting to the high heavens in here for attention on a given issue..."

I don't remember shouting to the heavens. Again, I thought my comments to CL were very civilized (unlike the Mac-Nazis), and also thought the community would benefit more from a thread than a private email no one else sees. I know I like to read what other people think about the software, bugs/missing features they've discovered.

Oh, and I have called CL on numerous occasions after they took over P4 with suggestions and bug reports. But I probably posted about those too for the OBVIOUS mutual benefit sharing ideas and thoughts provide. (Which people like you try to take away for God knows what reason other than to start an argument.)

Why have Poser message boards in the first place for pete's sake? So we can simply sing the praises of the new release. Everyone who reads my other posts over the years knows I'm sooooo into Poser, and extremely excited about the new release. I was one of the first people to pre-order it. See #16 above, 2nd paragraph for further explanation.

Think before you type next time and go bark up another tree. -Tim (1 of the 12: co-founder)