Lots of folks are holding back from what I've seen... mostly to pay for the upgrade. Not too big of a deal, though IMHO. Not everything in the marketplace will become "useless" in Poser 5. Vicky and Mike will still be just as useful in P5 as in P4, according to Kupa hisself, even. There are also a huge amount of things that enhance Poser without needing Poser... Photoshop tubes/brushes for postwork, .obj files, Props, and other stuff for Vue/Rhino/etc that will import just as happily into P5 as it does into P4. I'd mention photography of landscapes and textures, for both backdrops and clothing, but then the thread would degenerate into shameless self-promotion ;) In the meanwhile, if you have the Vickster or Mike, there's no need to stop improving them... they'll still be just as useful in P5, and not everyone is in a hurry to upgrade anyhow. /P