I wonder what the release date is for Poser 5 third party products. I can't see any reason why the release date on the new products should be secret. Is it the ship date of P5?, before?, after? I heard some mention of "having to wait", before talking about P5, I understood this before the manual was released, but what's the problem now? I ordered P5 already, but I'm holding up my other purchases till I see what P5 material is coming out. Holding back ads/information on third party material has gotta be hurting sales. I know P4 products can be used in P5, but with limited funds I would rather invest in the new products that show off P5's capabilities. The good news is P5 products (when released)should cause a much needed increase in sales.