i am not that much a novice to overwrite my geometries ;-) but thats exactly what i found out, thanks jeff seems p4 does not export all groups correctly to the obj so I have to use the default p4 nude woman obj (or a backup of it) just tested and it's working but what about all the morphs i did to my existing model do i have to do them again with the new? or is there a way of saving them and applying them to the new char?