HehHe Yeah I tend to get "Seduced" by Poser from time to time But I like Bryce much better. I assume your talking the patch for Bryce 4. on the same page as the patch you can d/load the new vulumetric presets. There really nice But some are really slow( for this PII 200)but really nice to tweak and modify. also there are some import upgrades a new shader in the materials lab. and a new mode in the noise editor in the DTE are a few things that come to mind. I think there is a read me file. you can see what the upgrades actually are. Hawkfyr

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