Not everyone is in the U.S. with comparitively high salaries. man, sometimes, i wish i had a salary. i don't think i am gonna be getting poser 5, anytime soon. i haven't rendered in poser since february or march. and, at work, we just got me deep paint...and, yeah, i did know poser 5 was coming out. i opted for deep paint, anyway. on the other hand...if you all convince me with your "dream" renders that poser 5 is worth it....i'll maybe spring for it. so many programs...so little time. i hear rhino 3 is in the works. if you guys just use it for a bunch of naked vicki's (or judys) in a temple with a sword....forget it.